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Seems the BEAST was getting (shall I say) temperamental on me at idle as of late. After reading Guzziology and understanding the trim pot a bit more, I went in to take a peek. I richened things just a tad (about 11:30 on the dial) and whoa did it make a difference. It’s like a whole new machine how smooth it is down low and not a wink at idle. Pretty cool stuff. There’s a Hell of a lot to learn on this machine...but it’s fun to have to be in touch with its behaviors. Razz
-Kev

There is an idle mixture screw (actually from idle to 3000 RPM) in the CPU under your seat. You have to take off the tape and rubber plug to get at it. That is known as the "trim pot". It is much smaller than I had imagined (the screw that is). To lean out the mixture you turn the screw clockwise, for richer anti-clockwise. I warn you to be VERY careful with this. Any static electricity will fry the CPU, so ground yourself first if you use a small metal screwdriver. It is best if you have a plastic one. ANyhow, if you should try adjusting things, make very small changes at a time. Also...the CPU needs time after shutting down the bike to recalibrate, so wait about 30 seconds before messing again with the screw. I got mine the first try without the bike running with a very small adjustment from about 12:30 to 11:30. I think it turns from about 8 to 4 if you’re thinking of a clock (roughly 120 degrees). I’m looking at the screw as if sitting backwards on the seat. I hope this helps? I simply read in Guzziology that if the idle is rough one answer could be to richen the mixture a bit. It worked for me, but I tried the idle adjustment screw first. Please be careful inside the CPU...and also replace the tape afterward to seal it from water.
-Kev
Others...please chime in if I’ve stated something wrong. I am far from being one to thoroughly understand this or walk someone through it.

Yes. Treat the trim screw about like the idle mxture screw on carbs.

Keep in mind that it only has about 270 degrees of rotation. I’ve had to repair a couple where the owners cranked them too far and broke them.

A plastic screwdriver is a good idea if you have one. And a little mark with a sharpie marker can help you see the trim screw turn easier.

Where precisely is this air/fuel screw on the injectors... anybody got a picture and an arrow?

It's inside the standard WM16M ECU - look under the large rubber bung for a small slotted poetiometer.


The "By-pass" adjustment (air/fuel) is at bottom of the injector body inside a hole facing up. I use a thin small screw driver. The "trim" adjustment is under the rubber plug inside the ECU.


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GUZZIOLOGY

GUZZIOLOGY

 

 

A Guide to Moto Guzzi

 

V-twin Motorcycles —

 

designed to supplement existing

 

service manuals and parts references

 

 

David Richardson

 

Self-Published by David Richardson

Seattle, USA

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

FIRST EDITION, VERSION 5.1

THIS VERSION FIRST AVAILABLE IN MARCH, 2001

 

 

TABLE OF CONTENTS

CHAPTER

NUMBER

ALL THAT STUFF THAT COMES BEFORE THE FIRST CHAPTER                                  1

MODEL HISTORY                                                                                                                           2

BASICS                                                                                                                                             3

ENGINE TOP END                                                                                                                          4

ENGINE BOTTOM END AND EXTERNALS                                                                             5

IGNITION SYSTEMS                                                                                                                       6

CARBURETORS, FUEL INJECTION, & air FILTERS                                                           7

EXHAUST SYSTEMS                                                                                                                     8

CLUTCH AND FLYWHEEL FOR MANUAL TRANSMISSIONS                                            9

MANUAL TRANSMISSIONS                                                                                                      10

AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION, CLUTCH, FLYWHEEL, & A.T.F. SYSTEM                     11

DRIVESHAFTS AND U-JOINTS                                                                                                12

REAR DRIVES                                                                                                                              13

GEARING                                                                                                                                        14

CHASSIS                                                                                                                                        15

HAND & FOOT CONTROLS AND INSTRUMENTS                                                              16

ELECTRICS — OTHER THAN IGNITION AND CHARGING SYSTEMS                           17

CHARGING SYSTEMS                                                                                                                18

BRAKES                                                                                                                                         19

FRONT FORKS                                                                                                                             20

REAR SHOCK ABSORBERS                                                                                                    21

WHEELS                                                                                                                                         22

GUS’S BIKE                                                                                                                                   23

PARTS AND PERFORMANCE KITS                                                                                        24

OWNER’S HANDBOOKS, PARTS REFERENCES, AND SERVICE MANUALS            25

 



 

 

ALL THAT STUFF THAT COMES BEFORE THE FIRST CHAPTER


Listening to Car Talk on (US) National Public Radio, I heard a statement of profound truth. One of the brothers (Tom & Ray Maliozzi) hosting the show told a listener that her local mechanic probably learned to fix cars the old-fashioned way: by making mistakes on other people’s cars. This is probably even more prevalent in motorcycle repair, especially with Moto Guzzis, since I’ve only recently known of national service training seminars for dealers’ mechanics here in the US. Add to that the sometimes — shall we say — inspecificity of the factory manuals and it became obvious to me that there was a place for my compilation of experiences (mistakes).

This is not a repair manual in the usual sense. That need has already been attended to by the factory and others. Instead, this manual is intended to supplement repair manuals and parts references. To that goal I have provided expanded explanations, corrections, new ideas, opinions, easier methods, and updates. I’ve also tried to alert you to likely problems where repair manuals tend to list all operations without weighing them as to frequency. As well as helping owners, my hope is that this book will benefit new Guzzi dealers (and old ones) and new dealer personnel.

Besides the gaps in the service manuals, the Guzzi parts references are also incomplete to varying degrees. Much necessary information regarding correct part numbers has been lost over the years so I’ve also included as much of it as I know. I have not, however, included references to square-fin and small-twin police models, as their variations are too many, too frequently revised, and I’ve never seen the bikes over here. I have listed many of the accessory items now being distributed in the US by our importer, Moto Guzzi North America. Obviously for European owners, far more accessories are available from more logical sources than Moto America.

I have long been a self-appointed cheerleader for Moto Guzzi, missing no opportunity to point out the obvious and unrealized advantages of owning one. Yet another reason for compiling this book has been to offer what hopefully will be one more plus to owning a Moto Guzzi. I don’t know of any other motorcycle brand for which this scale of reference material exists in one volume. And that segues to another reason for writing this book: so that I could compile all the information I need in a way I can easily use. Yes, I do have a well-worn copy of this book at work and frequently use it. You don’t think I remember all this stuff, do you?

It has not been my goal to produce yet another thin, slick book that’s longer on sales appeal than in-depth content. I don’t believe that we need another book to describe the many advantages of a V50 II over a V50. There are already plenty of books like that type, designed for an evening’s entertainment. This is a reference book — intended to help you make your Moto Guzzi into what you want it to be and keep it that way.

Mind you, I don’t profess to be the authority on Guzzis. I’m just a guy who bothered to put what I believe to know in a book. I have no formal training as a mechanic. My college degree is in, of all things, human services.

So what are my qualifications? As a kid I rode dirt bikes, the last before my “age of the first driver’s license” was a Ducati RT 450. That lead to a Ducati V-twin street bike which lead to a few years as a very inept road racer. My racing days ended when I realized that I had never crashed on the street (and still haven’t, knock on wood!) but usually hit the pavement about every other weekend racing. My Ducati days ended in 1985 when I concluded that Cagiva was never going to support my 900 Desmo with a sufficient parts supply. At the time, a Guzzi was “that other Italian bike” that was usually sold at the same shops as Ducatis, due to the fact that from the mid ’60s through 1982 the two brands were imported to the US through the same firm.

From ’85 through the present I have owned a Guzzi and have earned my living working at a Moto Guzzi dealership almost continually since 1983, most of that time until recently as a mechanic. Probably my best qualifications become evident when I tell you how many of various parts my old Convert has worn (not worn out). It has had 3 sets of cylinder heads, 4 sets of cylinders, 5 sets of pistons, 3 crankshafts, 3 crankcases, 3 camshafts, 2 sumps, 4 sets of connecting rods, 2 flywheels, 3 engine breathers, 5 sets of carburetors, 2 front wheels, 4 rear wheels, 4 swingarms, 3 sets of brake calipers, 2 sets of brake rotors, 4 alternators, 3 center stands, 4 sets of rear shocks, 3 sets of fork dampers, 3 sets of fork sliders, 2 sets of fork tubes, 3 front fenders, 3 clutch levers, 3 foot master cylinders, 5 hand master cylinders, 3 sets of footrests, 4 left handlebar switch modules, 2 throttles, 2 headlights, 2 instrument panels, 3 seats, 2 gas tanks, 6 handlebars, 3 air filter arrangements, 2 tail lights, 2 sets of luggage, 3 sets of luggage mounting brackets, 4 exhaust crossovers, 2 sets of mufflers, and somehow, only 2 speedometer cables. Now this (I hope) says a lot about me and about my beliefs. First off, I believe that you learn a lot by trying things. Secondly, most of the parts on my bike are standard Guzzi—they just come from a whole lot of different models and reflect my ever growing respect for ricambi originale.

Kevin Cameron once wrote in the now defunct Cycle Magazine about aspects of “super-good ride feel.” This somewhat clumsy term fairly accurately describes my last aim in producing this volume: to help you make your Moto Guzzi the best it can be and the best suited to you.

In describing this book to others, I have often heard it said that what I have done is create yet another Moto Guzzi tips book, similar to those offered through the US Moto Guzzi National Owner’s Club. In a sense that’s true, but the differences are many. For instance, my realm of experience includes exposure to many examples of each model, so I have more opportunity to know if a particular problem is unique or common. Also, I have far more factory documents at hand for information and comparisons. On the down side, I wrote this entire book myself so the perspective is narrow. The MGNOC Tips Books are the compilations of hundreds of people writing down their ideas about just their bike(s). I think both approaches are very useful.

As this manual is intended for my fellow members of this litigious society, I need to make a statement of disclaimer, as if it will do me any good in the worst eventuality. This manual exists as a compilation of my knowledge and experience as a Moto Guzzi mechanic and owner. Any and all information in this manual is only to be used by others at their own risk. Any suggestions that would modify the engine, exhaust, or intake systems of US or other emission-controlled models are intended for off-road or racing purposes only. Street applications of these modifications are illegal, and should not be construed as their implied intent.

As this manual was produced in the United States from experience with US-model V-twin motorcycles legally imported here since 1967, some suggestions may not be applicable to other models and variants of Moto Guzzis. Since there has been some interest in this book outside the US (thank you very much!), I have been adding more and more references to non-US models.

A word on conventions: so as to ease the flow of the book, I have used several terms, borrowed or made up, to classify various models and relationships. They are:

      Left/Right                      As perceived by a normally seated rider

      Inside                             Closer to the fore/aft centerline of the frame

      Outside                          Farther from the fore/aft longitudinal centerline of the frame

      Front/Forward              Situated closer to the most forward point on the motorcycle

      Back/Rearward             Situated closer to the most rearward point on the motorcycle

      Big Twin                        Any model displacing 703 (700), 749 or 757 (750), 844 (850), 949                                                                 (1000) or 1064 cc (1100), not including the high-cam 992 (1000 cc)

      Small Twin                     Any model displacing 346 (350), 389 (400), 490 (500), 643 (650), or                                                              744 cc (750) — Ippogrifo not included until we know more about it

      Round Fin                     Any big-twin model with oval-shaped cylinder and head finning (all                                                        pre-1985 except the California II, T5, and LeMans III)

      Square Fin                     Any two-valve big-twin model that  has cylinder and head finning with                                                   angled corners (all 1983–on big twins except the 1000 SP)

      Civilian                           Models with footpegs and standard (medium height)   handlebars

      Police                             Variant of civilian model sold to the public with footboards and high                                                       handlebars — sometimes referred to as a “California”

      Loop Frame                   Any model with a generator

      Tonti Frame                   Any big-twin with an alternator except those with the spine frame or                                                        dual-sport frame. The term pays tribute to Lino Tonti, who first                                                             designed this straight-tube masterpiece with removable lower rails for                                                     the V7 Sport. It’s been the pattern for all subsequent big-twin frames                                                              through the California EV?Jackal/Bassa except spine frame and dual-                                               sport models.

      Spine Frame                  As used on the Daytonas, Sport 1100s, Centauros, & V11 Sports

      Dual-sport Frame         As used on the Quota models

      Exposed Driveshaft     As used on the Daytonas, Sport 1100s, Centauros, & V11 Sports

      Enclosed Driveshaft    All models except the Daytonas, Sport 1100s, Centauros, & V11 Sports

      Small Valve                    Any big twin with standard 41-mm intake and 37-mm exhaust valves.                                                       These engines have 29- or 30-mm carbs or rarely fuel injection.    

      Medium Valve              Any big twin with standard 44-mm intake and 37-mm exhaust     valves                                                    with either 36-mm carbs or fuel injection. Does not include the uniquely                                             configured Sport 1100s and V11 Sports.

      Big Valve                       Any big twin with standard 40-mm carbs, 47-mm intake & 40-mm                                                               exhaust valves — doesn’t include the Sport 1100s & V11 Sports.

      High Cam                       Any 992 cc big twin with a belt-driven camshaft in each cylinder head.

      1000                                Any 949 cc engine with two valves per cylinder. High-cam models are                                                     excluded because they have so many unique details, to have included                                                             them would have filled the book with lists of exclusions.

      1000 SP NT                    Late version of the 1000 SP having nearly flat (non-upswept) mufflers                                                     and non-folding footpegs

      1000 SP                          Refers both to the early and NT versions unless otherwise specified

      V50                                 Refers both to the V50 and V50 II unless otherwise specified

      LeMans II                      Refers only to this specific model and not also to the US variant, the                                                       CX 100, unless otherwise specified

      LeMans                         Refers only to the LeMans I, II, III, IV, and V and not also to the                                                               CX 100 unless specifically included (which doesn’t mean that I                                                      don’t think of the CX 100 as a true LeMans)

      California II                   Refers to just the five-speed version and not also to the California II                                                        Automatic unless specifically included or written as plural

      California III                  Refers only to carbureted version and not also to the California III i.e.                                                     unless specifically included or written as plural

      FD or Dresser               Refers to the fully-outfitted version of the California III, with a frame-                                                      mounted touring fairing, saddlebags, and a trunk

      Cruiser                           Common version of the Cal III without Dresser appointments, may or                                                      may not have a windshield and may or may not have saddlebags, but                                                           will have standard (not [low] Classic or [big] Dresser) handlebars

      Classic                           Low-bar Cal III, always without accessories (windshield & bags)

      California 1100              Refers only to carbureted version and not also to the California 1100i                                                      unless specifically included or written as plural. Chassis details also                                                         apply to the California 1000 (not the same as the California III)

      V40 Capri                       Rare model hardly covered here, mainly because I lack references for                                                       it— can be considered the same in most respects as the V35 Imola II.

      Sport 1100                     Refers only to carbureted version and not also to the Sport 1100i                                                              unless specifically included or written as plural

      Sport 1100s                   Refers only to the Sport 1100 and the Sport 1100i and not also to the                                                       V11 Sport

      Daytona                         Refers only to original version and not also to the Daytona Racing                                                          and/or RS unless specifically included or written as plural

      T5                                   Refers only to early series I, II, & III and not also to the ’94-on version

      Euro or world                Standard version (as opposed to a country-specific variant) of a model

      US                                   Variant of the Euro version for the US market

      EPA                                United States Environmental Protection Agency — refers to                                                                      modifications for compliance with US emissions standards.

      N/A                                                Not available or not applicable

      N/L                                 Not listed — in other words it never has been available

      NAS                               Not available separately — can only be had as part of an assembly

      NLA                               No longer available

      i.e. or i                            Model suffix for the fuel-injected variant of a carbureted model

      MGNOC                         Moto Guzzi National Owner’s Club (US)

      Moto America              US Moto Guzzi importer (now officially Moto Guzzi North America)

      EV                                   Refers to both the California EV and ’98—’99 US-only V11 EV

      V11 EV                           Refers to just the ’98—’99 US-only variant

      Bassa                             Refers to both the California Special and ’99—’00 US-only V11 Bassa

      Jackal                             Refers to both the California Jackal and 2000 US-only V11 Jackal

      Nikasil/Nigusil              Used interchangeably, the former refers to the modern cylinder plating                                                    developed by Mahle and used by BMW, Ducati, and several others.                                                         The latter is Guzzi’s own version.

A big problem for me in writing this book has been organization. I know my style and I know the material I’m covering — this isn’t a gripping novel destined to hold readers spellbound cover to cover. Since most readers will only be looking for small, specific pieces of information at any one time, the difficulty for me has been in making the information accessible.

That’s why all chapters begin on a right-hand page so that they’re easier to find when thumbing though the book. Within the chapters, the headings and subheadings each have their own style so you can tell which topics relate to which previous ones. What follows is what they each look like.

chapter title

Main heading within a chapter

First degree sub-heading

Second degree sub-heading

Third degree sub-heading

Fourth degree sub-heading

The master table of contents (which precedes this chapter) merely lists the number of each chapter. There is also a highly-detailed and very extensive table of contents at the beginning of each chapter. In each chapter’s table of contents, the main headings alone are in bold type with each degree of sub-heading further indented from the left margin. The pages of each chapter are numbered with the chapter number followed by a hyphen, then the page number of that chapter. For example, pages in the Brakes chapter are numbered 19-1, 19-2, 19-3, and so forth. I wanted to include continuous page numbering but the size of this work apparently exceeds some sort of structural limit in my word processing software (no matter what Microsoft said in their manual for it). What you see is the best method I could devise and, I believe that once you get used to it, actually makes it easier to navigate the book. Better yet, this setup made it possible for me to make immediate updates, requiring at most the reprinting of a single chapter.

While many sections only have meaning when a need occurs, some, I believe, contain important information for you to consider immediately. To alert you of the latter, those headings are double underlined, as are their corresponding listings in their chapter’s table of contents. This important information applies whether you have just purchased a used bike, a new one, or the same familiar mount has graced your garage for a long time.

Side column headings are used to signify when a section is only applicable to certain models or variations. Some abbreviations within the side headings aren’t specific enough, such as “Late Eldorado” or “All.” My intention is simply to draw your attention to everything that may be useful to you. Just remember that that section may only apply to a variant of your model other than your own. This same rule applies to applications listed in tables. Otherwise, some tables and side headings would have been longer than their accompanying text! The same side-heading applications are in force until a new side heading appears, even if it’s several sections later.

Of greatest importance is to tell you how I envisioned this book to be used. I tried to organize the material in such a way so that when you are about to work on something or order parts, you can first look in the appropriate section to see if this book offers anything applicable. This can be a tedious way of going about things but it’s really the only way that works.

Often I will cite Moto Guzzi part numbers for convenience. Usually they appear in parenthesis without further explanation as two groups of four digits separated by a single space (Moto Guzzi lists them as 8 digits in a row but I find that style more difficult to read, say, and remember). Some part numbers will appear in strike-through (1208 7000), meaning they are no longer available. This notation shouldn’t be trusted completely as parts suddenly become unavailable and some unavailables return. More so, what is currently unavailable in the US may be available from European sources. Stranger yet, we sometimes have the last of something over here that’s long been unavailable in Europe.

I’ve also included many references to aftermarket parts and accessories available through Moto America. I rarely included similar references to parts from other sources as they may not all be easily available to everyone and, quite frankly, I certainly don’t know everything offered by everyone. When a part number reference is to a Moto America offering it will appear something like “(MA 9999 2800)”. I realize of course that many more accessories and aftermarket parts are available in Europe. Until Moto America began importing accessories in the early ’90s, few items other than factory Guzzi parts were easily available to North Americans. It’s still spotty but generally getting better.

To European Guzzisti, please excuse our American excitement regarding the availability of items you may think of as common. I know that many of the same items we finally enjoy have long been available to you from a variety of sources. So that you do have at least one source for reference, I’ve included many part numbers from Teo Lamers Motorrijwielen in Nijmegen, Holland, as they sell both retail and wholesale throughout Europe and are conversant in most Western European languages (and they’re great people as well!). When a part number reference is to a Teo Lamers offering it will appear something like “(TL 2803 6060 5150)”.

Rarely will I refer to the US price of an item, and then usually only in general terms. Obviously, prices change and I don’t want to make your local dealer look bad because the dealer’s price is more than my possibly dated appraisal.

Some explanations are enhanced by information in additional sections. In many cases I have abbreviated references to the name of the chapter and the heading enclosed in brackets, such as {Ignition Systems: Spark plug wire}. If the reference is in the same chapter I just name the appropriate section {Spark plug wire}. If there are two references in the same chapter I separate them with an italic “and” such as {Integrated brakes on big twins and Reverting to conventional (non-integrated) brakes}. Some sections have relevance to several chapters. If it’s a small point, I’ve often repeated the information each time it’s applicable. In others I have placed the section in the Basics chapter (my miscellaneous chapter, somewhat like that drawer full of odds and ends in the kitchen) with appropriate references.

Factory updates are often cited by the frame number at which they first apply. Older models are usually five-digit numbers. US-spec bikes have an aluminum plate that after about 1978 contains the US-mandated 17-digit number. The original factory five-digit number is usually stamped into the steering head — hopefully not under the foil tag. I believe that the 17-digit format became a world standard some time in the 1990s.

I found in writing this manual that I had to assume a level of mechanical knowledge, ability, and aptitude in the reader. Otherwise, I would have had to start by describing which end of the screwdriver to hold. My assumptions are that you can find your way around a motorcycle and a toolbox and that what you seek here is specific information about Moto Guzzis. I’m sure you will be frustrated at times that some points aren’t described in sufficient detail. Some may be oversights and some may be because I don’t know either. I truly hope that these points of frustration are few.

I’ve noticed among my motorcycle friends that we have developed our own set of unrecorded rules regarding where to use American measurements and where to use metric. We tend to use metric for linear measurement except for exacting measurements such as bearings and journals and inches again for larger measurements over a few centimeters. I have no justification for this but I did want you to know that this practice spilled over into this book.

Sometimes you will notice that I refer to “parts references” when you might expect “parts book”. My intention is to let you know that in these instances, both a book and a microfiche may exist.

Looking back, I see that there is much less information in this book specific to small twins than for the big bikes. There is nothing intentional in this as I really like the small bikes. As stated before, this book is merely a compilation of what I think I know about Guzzis. As an excuse I offer that there are fewer small twins on this continent, they tend to have less mileage, they are less often modified, and there is less parts swapping done or possible. All of these reasons have contributed to the disparity of information quantity. Starting with version 2.0 of this book, I have added a huge number of new references to non-US small twins although I still lack hands-on experience with these bikes.

Like Bill James’s famous baseball books, Guzziology is an outsider’s book. That is, it consists of information gathered from the outside: personal experiences, the experiences of mechanics, customers and other owners, and the perusal of the factory-published service manuals and supplements, parts references, and service bulletins. As such, some explanations and conclusions are suppositions and extrapolations while others are based on actual experience. I hope that in each case it is clear to you when I’m sharing experiences and when I’m being theoretical (guessing).

Regarding perspective: I tried to vary the writing voice between “This is what I do,” “You should do this,” and “The next step is...” in an attempt to make reading large sections less tedious.

I had a lot of input from printers and publishers regarding format, which may lead you to wonder why this book looks the way it does. My goal has always been to include everything I know rather than leaving out information simply because it’s rarely used. To do otherwise would have diminished the purpose and utility of this book. I wanted to pack as much as possible into a useful format while keeping the price reasonable. This book could possibly have been a slick, “professional” publication, but would have cost more, had half the content, and probably have been bound in such a way that it couldn’t be laid flat on a workbench. I’m very proud of the way my book turned out and I hope very much that it serves you well and exceeds your expectations. I also wanted you to know that it is hand made — as it obviously appears.

The one detail of my book that I am truly apologetic about is the quality of some of the drawings. Obviously, scanning and photocopying poor drawings could only result in blurry resolution.

I have often referred to the shop I work at: Moto International. I didn’t intend this book as an advertisement (I started the book long before the shop existed) but I did want to make sure that you had at least one source for unusual offerings. I’ve tried to limit the commercial impact by referring to Moto Int. as “our shop” or “we” or other similar terms. Special parts are prefixed as “MI.”

As with anything that is believed to be known, my beliefs as recorded in this book are always changing. New information can either add a new subject to this book or confirm, improve, or replace previous beliefs. For these reasons, this book has a specific version listed on page four. Recently I’ve added the date the current version was first offered, as some have mistakenly believed that no version is more recent than the last copyright date. Because this book is produced in small batches (10 to 30 at a time) the version number is always progressing as (I hope) is the book’s content, in a way no hard-cover book can match. The downside of all these revisions is that I’m sure the continuity has been reduced and some references no longer agree. Sorry about that. I fix problems when I find them or when someone kindly points them out to me.

Already in this introduction I have “borrowed” ideas from a radio show about cars, a motorcycle magazine article, and a series of baseball books. Keeping with that plagiaristic theme, here is my version of Robert Fulghum’s now-immortal Credo from his book, All I Really Need To Know I Learned In Kindergarten. I’ve seen it recycled in various forms, usually giving credit to various pets as the altars of wisdom. As for me, I’ll claim that rather than stealing the idea, I simply share the same inspiration, having grown up just down the street from Fulghum’s church. No doubt there was something special in the air (besides the stench of the peat bog) around Chase Lake in Edmonds, Washington, USA. If nothing else, I learned a lot about bikes there, playing motorcycle tag (CRASH! You’re it!) in the surrounding woods. Anyway, here is my rendition which, if you’re not into warm and fuzzy lists, can also be thought of as the Moto Guzzi version of Alcoholic’s Anonymous’s 12-step program, appropriately containing thirteen promulgations.

 

Credo for Moto Guzzi Owners and Mechanics

Stock parts are always best — except occasionally when they’re not

Always fix the problem as well as the symptom

The only way to really find out if something is better is to try it yourself

Just because something makes sense doesn’t mean it’s right

Changes are as likely to be tradeoffs as improvements

Nothing is believable until you’ve made the same mistake yourself

Even if you cut it twice it will still be too short

Don’t fix it if it ain’t broke — unless you know it’s going to break anyway

A big problem is easier to find than a small one

No easier or cheaper approach is ever the best way

Wrenches are brain tools, not hand tools

Rarely does anything work out the way you want if left to chance

Maintenance is almost always easier than repairs — and costs less too

And for your friends and motorcycling acquaintances along the way who wonder why you don’t ride a motorcycle with a name beginning with an “H”, just remind them that the best is rarely the most popular.

 

V 10 CENTAURO

V 10 CENTAURO

Special features and tips about the Centauro

Here are some reports about knowledge and infos what to do and what can be done

better:

Groundline: It is absolutly necessary to connect the regulators housing to battery

minus via a 4 mm² line. It MUST be installed. This "always" missing

cable is the reason for voltage peaks destroying the ecu. Without this

cable the total amount of current has to go through the stearing

bearing.

Valve clearance: The new and only correct valve clearance is 0.15/ 0.20mm (in/out).

This is 0.05mm more than described in your handbook but absolutly

necessary for a longtime stability and 10.000km maintenance

intervalls. Without it, even the idle run is worse.

Oillevel engine: 10mm over the max sign (fully screwed in)

Engineoil: Synthetic, 10W60, 1oW50 or 20W60. Never 5W... or 0W...

Oillevel gear box: Synthetic, 0,60l. Forget about the level indicator

Oillevel cardan: Synthetic, 0,20l. Forget about the level indicator

If oil is comming out of the front of the cardan box you may change

the shaft seal. There is place for TWO!

If the oil is comming out on other places, make a little whole in the

filling screw, connect it with a plastic tube as high as possible. I have

this tube going towards the gearbox and back under the seat ending

near the ecu.

The fork has to be stick through by 10mm (see in the workshop manual, free available in

the www).

Never use sintermetal break pads.

Fuelfilter: Mahle KL14, Art. 07637655 or MANN WK 613

Oilfilter: MANN W712/52

Brake caliper: Change the standard 8.8 screws, connecting the two halfs of each

front brake caliper by 12.9 Inbus (M8x40mm, cylinder head screw).

Use 40 Nm! The brake power will be linear instead of degressive!

Fuelpreasure: Connect the fuel preasure gauge with one or both intakes. It will

increase the drivability during changes of load (see my description of

EPROMs).

Cam belt: Contitech Syncroforce CXP STD 640-S8M-20 with 80 teath.

Any questions:

Karsten Steinke

Karsten@Steinke.org

Tel.: +49-2922-85266

V10 CENTAURO

Hello, My name is Ed. My wife and I live on the California coast, dead center in the middle of Monterey Bay. I bought the Centauro as the latest in a 40 year quest for the perfect dual sport machine. To me, "dual sport" means able to cruise and to tour.
After trailering the Beast home on Friday, we took it down the
California coastline on Hwy 1, past Big Sur to Lucia and back, about 130 miles/200 kms.
In all my years on bikes, I have never experienced nor even heard of this much power on tap - it's like somebody miniaturized the motor from a semi tractor and shoehorned it in the bike. The bike was very hard to handle at lower speeds. I found I had to be in the tallest possible gear to maintain a semblance of control. Both exhilarating and terrifying - like riding a Beast

I also found the rear suspension to be overly harsh. I weigh about 165 lbs dressed out. With preload, dampening, and rebound at their lowest settings, my back was getting banged up on the bumps and still hurts as I sit to type this. Big Beast! I attribute this to the slightly cramped seating position and will be hunting for rearsets, as well as a softer shock.
Other than the above nits, the bike is an awesome, jewel-like piece of work, definitely unsuitable for mass consumption.
Any comments and/or fixes fellow Beastmasters

 

***

Ed...I agree with you wholeheartedly about your first impressions. I too am 165 lbs and 34+" inseam. I don't find the legs an issue, but the rear is pretty harsh even at the softest setting. The throttle is also quite "unsafe" feeling at first. Check my post on "twitchy throttle". I'm very new to the beast myself, but I'm finding more and more as I ride it I'm really settling in on things. Is it totally stock? Tell us about your bike a little if you would. Also, I found if you set the front forks equal to the dampening of the rear it balances things out more. I had to crank mine up much stiffer up front and also make them rebound a bit slower. It helped the throttle a lot to steady the front end from bouncing around. The harsh bumps are also now transferred over the whole bike, not just the rear end. It felt like riding a bucking bull before.
It is definitely a bike you grow into. It's not for the faint-hearted nor for a rookie. At least I wouldn't want to learn on this thing! As you get to know her a bit (and tame the BEAST) t is an incredible experience that sucks you in . Right now it may feel like you had your first date with Osama Bin Laden's red-headed stepsister, but that will all change...trust me

 

***

Yes - to all the above !!
Having regard to the suspension , are you only going to ride solo ?
If you are then a reduction in spring rate is worth consideration and not expensive. The stocker is 500lb. A friend whose wife rides a V11 (same set-up) eventually went down to something like 360 lb. She is light . You are not heavy yourself. If you will ride two-up then the stock spring you will probably have to live with. Road surface conditions do have a large part in this of course. The spring length is not an off the shelf length , (here in
England at least) at 165mm free length but if you don't mind a struggle ! you can get a 7" on .
It's important to get the static sag right here. You could go down a little but need to wind the preload up to get the ride height.
The low speed "switch-like" low speed throttle response can be cured by an aftermarket Ecu from Oz.
Enjoy the ride ....eh Centy owners !!!! heh heh.
_________________

V10 CENTAURO

Pump prime is a good sign - ECU ’safety’ circuit appears to be working okay and letting the pump relay operate. Remember, in common with much auto electronics most circuits for ancillaries operate through switchable grounds via the ECU - keeps the heat down so less chance of frying components. Good idea to test the phase sensor though. The resistance values are in the workshop manual you can download from the ’Articles’ section on this website.

Check out the Guzzi EFI manual as well. Although written at the time of the P8 ECU it’s all applicable to our 16M bikes as well - download a copy from Dan’s website -
http://www.dpguzzi.com/ - it shows in detail the relationship between the control/pump relay and the ECU/injector relay and how power must be pulled through the first before the second can operate.

After putting on the first 250 miles on my new (to me, anyway) ’98 Centauro (29K miles), I checked all the fluids. When I opened the transmission side/oil level port, some grey, viscous fluid leaked out. I’ve never seen transmission oil that looked like that but I’m not familiar with moly additives, either. No foam, just a light grey color. I also seem to have more neutral positions than I should: an extra one between 2nd and 3rd, and a big one between 4th and 5th. I can handle the extra effort but is this something deserving of worry?

***

Sounds like you have some water / condensation in your gear oil. For the record, the gearbox doesn’t get moly additive... and that is jet black.

For a much smoother shifting gearbox, I recommend using the same oil as in the rear drive. 85/140W. Just leave out the moly. I started doing that after reading that in Guzziology while looking for a fix for the clunky gear shift. Seems the factory also recommended it for a while before switching back to 80/90. I’ve been doing it for years and it does wonders for non-clunk gearing.
(Using the same in both boxes also adds up perfectly to one quart)

***

Hello,

Using "molybdene bisulfure" as an additive in th eoil give this grey almost black color to the oil. It could happens (and I do it myself) that the gear box may have been filled with the same oil as the transmission.
1 liter can fill perfectly (no spare) both the transmission and the

Hola, simplemente decirte que ojo al tema del motor de arranque, pues la corriente NO va directamente desde el boton al solenoide del propio motor (de arranque) . Esta explicacion de nuestro eminente moderador puede servir para muchos coches, porque es asi como lo montan, PEEERO en nuestras queridas Guzzis existe un relé intermedio (normalmente junto a la bateria o MUY cerca) , este relé suele fallar bastante y tambien es el primero que acusa la falta de tension en la bateria, por lo que no se excita y no deja pasar corriente al motor de arraque.
El dichoso es lo primero que se debe mirar despues de comprobar que la carga de bateria está OK.
Lo digo porque mucha gente mal informada ante problemas de arranque, se lanza a comprar una bateria nueva (70 euros) o un motor de arranque nuevo (+ 200 euros completo o +30 euros solo juego escobillas) cuando lo aconsejable es comprobar primero un simple relé cuyo precio oscila entre 4 u 8 euros.

Veréis, tengo un amigo con una Jackal (de inyección) y una vez, al desmontar el depósito y volverlo a montar, se empezó a oir un ruido anormal, en lugar del consabido SSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH en la bomba de gasolina.
Nos volvimos locos, pensando que era la bomba la que no funcionaba bien; era el mismo ruido que al arrancar, pero mucho más fuerte y como con sobresaltos, como un pedorreo vamos (con perdón).
Después de instalar tres bombas usadas (una nueva vale 300€) y de desmontar una de ellas un mecánico amigo, que hizo lo imposible, arreglar una pieza que no es desmontable, el ruido seguía.
Al final dimos con la solución; resulta que las guzzis de inyección llevan una electroválvula en lugar del consabido grifo de gasolina, que se abre automáticamente cuando le das a la llave de contacto para permitir el flujo de gasolina y se cierra cuando aparcas la moto, para evitar fugas.
La jodía ni se abría ni se cerraba y por eso el fuerte ruido al pasar la gasolina por la electroválvula "obligada".
La solución; 79 € por una nueva (no tiene reparación) o poner una manual, que es lo que hicimos.
Y volvió el delicioso SSSSSHHHHHHHH suavecito que indica que todo va OK.
Ya lo sabéis.

V10 CENTAURO

V 10 centauro text

 

 

Hello Angel
I am located in
Grenoble (south East of FR, in the Alps, not very far from Geneva Switzerland). Yes I have done all the changes myself and no I am not a mechanic (no diploma) but its my hobby. It’s the second engine that I work on. I have rebuilt a broken one for my bother in law.
Well, if your bike is only 11000 km there is little to do. Is it stock ? or already modified?
The are two things I would recommend to do are:
- remove the exhaust box (just behind the engine) and replace it with X crossover from Stucchi. two advantages: you can change oil without dismantling the whole exaust pipes. The bike breathes better.
- Replace the ECU chip with the one provided by Will Creedon (on this forum) It really improves the bike behavior mainly in altitude compensation (usefull in the
Alps).
And that’s about it

Some advises and findings:
- Use 20W50/60 oil (highly recommended). I used till now 15W50 but a thicker one is better due to the constraints in the head cams
- Always fill the level to the max never below, you may disamorce the oil pump in hard accelerations.
- I found the that the Bridgestone BT020 on the front wheel make the bike much more easy to handle.
- Suspensions are bit tricky to adjust
- Grease the transmission regularly. Do not change it (they mention to replace it regularly in the manuals), never heard about a failing one.
- Excellent bike

When you will be around 30000Km you may want to check the state of the valves and guides (depends on how you drive) and the oil pump (known to fail).

I personnaly know guies that put more than 80000 km on it without trouble.

Enjoy
Jacques

 

 

Hi Plotino,
I own a 1100
Le Mans cafe racer and a California also. The Centauro I have since one year now. I bought it in Sth. Germany with 20thousand km. The pre owner exchanged the cam belts already. I use the Centauro often on longer trips, it runs great and never had problems. I am not a mechanic either, so I hope it stays that way...
In comparison to the other Guzzis with the additional valves, it runs and sounds different and I had to get used to it. I love to ride it and through the special look of the Centy (people love it or hate it, not much inbetween) it chatches a lot of attention-I like that too


Let me now when you are in
Berlin. Stay in touch!
Glenn

 

No exchanged exhaust box until now, but I wanna change the exhaust system next winter for a better sound and look. I am using the Michelin Pilot Road 2 and I am very happy with them. I like to go for a higher rear suspension.

I also use a front windshield, cause I like to go long distances and I change the big rear mirrors to small ones on the ends of the handle bar. I am not happy with the stability of the seat. Also will have check the transmition next winter, because sometimes when the oil is very hot, I cant find the neutral gear easily.

My Centy is at the 25K km inspection in
Berlin at the moment. Will get it back on Monday.
Keep you posted,

I Live in Houten. That is a bit SE of Utrecht. Utrecht itself is ~30 km S of Amsterdam.
My bike:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~rloef/Centauro/centauro.jpg
http://www.xs4all.nl/~rloef/Centauro/centauro-2.jpg
Pictures are from the shop in
Germany where I bought the bike. The flyscreen is now gone and will be replaced with a sportsfairing with a Gustafsen screen.

Biggest improvement untill now: a replacement ECU from Karsten in
germany. He will send you the chip for the price of an EPROM plus shipping costst (<< E10). Made low rpm handling of the motor much better

Have a nice holliday in
Amsterdam

 

 

Hi Angel,

I Replaced the EPROM in the ECU with one I received from Karsten. This is not the Wil Creedon C5 chip. There are lots of alternatives to the C5 chip.
You will find that most of the german Centauro owners are using Karsten’s chip.

 

 

The only real issues are the shape of the seat, the shape of the tank, and the footpeg position.

The V11 foot controls solve the one issue. Convertibars will do the best job on the bar issue, just a matter of ajusting them back as far as you can to just kiss the tank at full lock. The subframe needs to be lifted a little at the rear, here are some plans for a shim.

http://community.webshots.com/album/546636344TYvElk

 

The painting job made previos owner as well as the leather seat. The rest of modifications are made by myself. They inslude carbon racing cans, cross over pipe, C5 chip, extra light Rizoma handlebars, clear optics front light and side indicators etc. Front fairing is moved 2 cm forwards and 3 cm upwards.

Hi Angel

I bought it from here:
http://stores.ebay.fr/MotoMoto-NL_Batteries_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ16063748QQftidZ2QQtZkm

 

The world is my dyno.
1100 Sport iniezione elettronica -- the perfect merge of a superbike and a steam train

 

Welcome, and congrats on the bike.

Where in the world are you located -
UK I take it?

I’m sure you’ll find that the gearing suits the bike once you’ve put a few miles on it - change at or just below the rev limiter.


The V10 ’box has a set of ratios that are unique to the bike and IMHO in combination with the 4 valve lump are just about the best streetable combination the factory has produced - use the torque and the whole rev range and you should find that two of the cogs may become redundant for general riding. Dave has grafted a 6 speed ’box onto his C but I like the V10 box so much I swapped a spare 6 speeder with him so I can use a Centauro box on a race bike.

I ride a Cali EV as well and the difference in engine output means that the gearing of the two can’t be directly compared on the street, (at least by me) - it’s not a swap which I am aware of anyone doing - maybe Guzziology will reveal the ratios if you seriously can’t get on with it.

Graham

Hello Graham!
I would like to acquire rear sets for my ’98 Centauro.
Can you steer me to a supplier?

Thanks,

 

Check out the Matra pegs in the "For sale" section. I have them on my Lemans and they are the best. Really well made and thought out. I have everything John sells and it is top quality. Shoot him an email if you have questions about fit on the Centauro.
-Kev

 

Harper’s also has billet foot pedals in the original Centauro configuration as well as V11 Sport (same as Sport 1100). I moved the pegs back to the "porkchops" on mine and used the V11 Sport pedals. If you take the same approach, you will also have to get a stock V11 Sport brake pivot bolt.

Howard

 

I got those from Pete at Reboot Guzzi - source of all things secondhand Guzzi but in this case newly manufactured. http://www.rebootguzzispares.com/index.html?mainframe.htm&2

He ships worldwide.

 

 

 

this is it: the connection screw from the inside of the gear pedal to the joint broke while I was in gear 4. so no more regular shifting. I checked the construction-within the massive appearance of the beast, this is a filigran construction for shifting gears up and down... is this breakdown a common thing, any experience? I am thinking of getting a whole new set, if available-but than I have the same thing again sooner or later. Any suggestions?

 

http://www.swva.net/jkenny/

 

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Hi all
After reading the oil pump problems I am very concerned about my bike .
I have spoken to my mechanic and he seem to think it is more of a problem with bikes that higher Ks on them mine has 22000Ks .
So has anyone fitted an oil pressure gauge to there bike to keep
an eye on the oil pressure ?
Also what is the recommended oil pressure at idle and when at higher RPMs ?

Or should I just do the oil pump mod and be done with it ?

 

 

 

Hi,

I have done both. I used a VDO oil pressure sensor with low pressure detection to keep the light feature on the display panel.
The oil pressure I have noticed is dependent on several things:
- oil temperature
- oil fluidity
I also fitted and oil temp sensor.
Oil type 15W50
oil temp <80 deg C normal-high range 3.5-4 Kg/cm2
idle ~ 2kg/cm2

>80 - 100 3Kg/cm2
1.5 Kg/cm2 (idle)

Oil type 20W60
oil temp <80 deg C 4.5-5 Kg/cm2 (the valve should open as it must be limited to 4Kg)
idle 2.5
>8-100 4Kg/cm2
idle 2Kg/cm2

Cheers

 

This is the oil gauge I fitted to my centauro (Ryland version) recently. We had to manufacture the bolt that goes between the heads, but we gave the specs to John (Ryland). It fits to either the left or right screw on your instrument panel mount. It’s slick and good to monitor. Peace of mind.
-Kevin

 

It is not just bikes with higher K’s. I bought some parts from a guy that was parting his bike that had an engine blow when the oil pump failed at somewhere around 9 thousand miles.... Just something to keep in mind, and when it happens a gauge is not going to help much when you are turning 5k+ RPM unless maybe you have one eye glued to the gage at all times. It will let you know what happened as you are coasting to a stop on the side of the road and that is about it. I would like to have a gauge, just to keep an eye on things, but it will not help in the event of a catastophic pump failure.

 

 

I agree Joe with catastrophic failure, however, if there is something more subtle going on before the complete failure (i.e. gear shearing) maybe it will register as a blip on the radar. I don’t know if anyone can say for sure because I doubt many have a gauge that have had the failure. Please chime in if you have had failure and noticed or didn’t notice anything on the gauge. I personally would have it no other way on this known issue on the "BEAST".
-Kev

 

Hello,

I have made a plate on each side of the counters that fit into the fairing

Jacques

 

Symptoms:
after usual local ride around (fully warmed up, 45-90 minutes), noticed tach was very low; pulled over, cut ignition, turned key off, waited ~ 30 seconds, restarted with very slight hesitancy to crank over - tach OK the rest of the way home (NOT where I was heading.)

Let sit for several hours while emptying garage to reorganize; went to start (dead cold) and had No idiots lights, no headlight, DID not try to crank. Noted smell of something too hot - kinda electrical in nature.
Rolled into garage, removed batt. leads, measured voltage: 12.35 - it’s almost always 13.2-3. THIS was at
11:00 pm (beautiful moon and ~68 degrees) I haven’t looked yet today.

I’ve been rereading prior posts on failed tachs - noteing mention of loose (tach) grounds, broken bits shorting, etc.
My bike is fully grounded front to rear w/12awg cable, ecu seperate cable, diode installed.

 

Trust your nose. Check your fuses. Try to isolate the problem by idientifing which circuit is being affected. My guess is your blowing #4 fuse. This is headlight, starter, indicators, brake light and tach.
Good Luck...

 

Bad #3 relay!! (center Left)

To all of you who posted in the past with same/similar problems:
LOTS OF GRATITUDE!!!

 

Get the MATRA relays as posted in the for sale section. I just ordered them today myself. They are the best. OMRON made in USA (sealed or unsealed). They are amazing in the Lemans. The idiot lights alone light up like a x-mas tree now. My friend also noticed huge difference before I had them in mine. He will send all the test data if you should want to know. He does not work for them, but realizes the need for good relays in our Guzzi’s (and his). I have no affiliation with him, but have all of his mods and think the world of his research (and development).
-Kev

 

Thanks Kevdog-sounds like a great resource.
When I replaced my orig. OH MY GAWD - has it really been EIGHT years?!?
- yes 8 yrs. I bought enough for two complete sets of Bosch; so that was my source this a.m. for t/shooting & R/R

It might be good to post this guys info in the "Replacement Parts" sticky note.

Thanks again!!

 

 

 

Don’t forget to install the missing reg/rec earth to battery negative if the previous owner hasn’t already done it - and the additional subframe and ECU box earths if not there. 


Los amis te sugieren que conectes un cable desde el regulador a una toma de tierra (al chasis directamente.. ) si éste no la tubiese..., pienso que debería tenerla de serie  pero échale un vistazo por si las flies... Aconsejan hacer lo mismo para  la ECU (unidad de control del motor = la caja negra  )

Matt

 

***

Hello, My name is Ed. My wife and I live on the California coast, dead center in the middle of Monterey Bay. I bought the Centauro as the latest in a 40 year quest for the perfect dual sport machine. To me, "dual sport" means able to cruise and to tour.
After trailering the Beast home on Friday, we took it down the
California coastline on Hwy 1, past Big Sur to Lucia and back, about 130 miles/200 kms.
In all my years on bikes, I have never experienced nor even heard of this much power on tap - it’s like somebody miniaturized the motor from a semi tractor and shoehorned it in the bike. The bike was very hard to handle at lower speeds. I found I had to be in the tallest possible gear to maintain a semblance of control. Both exhilarating and terrifying - like riding a Beast

I also found the rear suspension to be overly harsh. I weigh about 165 lbs dressed out. With preload, dampening, and rebound at their lowest settings, my back was getting banged up on the bumps and still hurts as I sit to type this. Big Beast! I attribute this to the slightly cramped seating position and will be hunting for rearsets, as well as a softer shock.
Other than the above nits, the bike is an awesome, jewel-like piece of work, definitely unsuitable for mass consumption.
Any comments and/or fixes fellow Beastmasters?

 

Ed...I agree with you wholeheartedly about your first impressions. I too am 165 lbs and 34+" inseam. I don’t find the legs an issue, but the rear is pretty harsh even at the softest setting. The throttle is also quite "unsafe" feeling at first. Check my post on "twitchy throttle". I’m very new to the beast myself, but I’m finding more and more as I ride it I’m really settling in on things. Is it totally stock? Tell us about your bike a little if you would. Also, I found if you set the front forks equal to the dampening of the rear it balances things out more. I had to crank mine up much stiffer up front and also make them rebound a bit slower. It helped the throttle a lot to steady the front end from bouncing around. The harsh bumps are also now transferred over the whole bike, not just the rear end. It felt like riding a bucking bull before.
It is definitely a bike you grow into. It’s not for the faint-hearted nor for a rookie. At least I wouldn’t want to learn on this thing! As you get to know her a bit (and tame the BEAST) t is an incredible experience that sucks you in . Right now it may feel like you had your first date with Osama Bin Laden’s red-headed stepsister, but that will all change...trust me!

 

Yes - to all the above !!
Having regard to the suspension , are you only going to ride solo ?
If you are then a reduction in spring rate is worth consideration and not expensive. The stocker is 500lb. A friend whose wife rides a V11 (same set-up) eventually went down to something like 360 lb. She is light . You are not heavy yourself. If you will ride two-up then the stock spring you will probably have to live with. Road surface conditions do have a large part in this of course. The spring length is not an off the shelf length , (here in England at least) at 165mm free length but if you don’t mind a struggle ! you can get a 7" on .
It’s important to get the static sag right here. You could go down a little but need to wind the preload up to get the ride height.
The low speed "switch-like" low speed throttle response can be cured by an aftermarket Ecu from Oz.
Enjoy the ride ....eh Centy owners !!!! heh heh.
_________________
English Dave